1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:22,400 this is just a couple days before liana went missing she was like i look so 2 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,800 horrible i'm like no you don't but thanks for taking the picture with me 3 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,400 she looks beautiful i mean she had no makeup on she was just 4 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400 Lena. 5 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:34,400 Obviously, that would have known 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,400 what my mom was capable of doing. 7 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,400 I miss her. 8 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,400 I miss her so much. 9 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,400 It kills me. 10 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,400 I miss her so much. 11 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:36,400 My sister Lena went missing in 2006. 12 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,400 She was living in an apartment with her boyfriend, Jason. 13 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,400 I showed up randomly one day, 14 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,400 but Lena wasn't there. 15 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,400 And Jason, he said, 16 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,400 I miss her so much. 17 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,400 I miss her so much. 18 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,400 I miss her so much. 19 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Lena wasn't there. 20 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,400 And Jason, he said, 21 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,400 your sister took off with a boyfriend to Florida. 22 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,400 And I'm like, I don't... 23 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,400 I mean, how? 24 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,400 And he's like, well, that's what your mom said. 25 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,400 That's what Sandy said happened. 26 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,400 She said she ran off with some guy to Florida. 27 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,400 It just seemed crazy. 28 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,400 She didn't take any of her clothes. 29 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,400 Lena didn't take any of her photo albums. 30 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,400 And she had a lot of pictures. 31 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,400 That was her thing. She'd take pictures of everything. 32 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,400 And she would not have left her son, Coulter. 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,400 She loved her son. She loved him very much. 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,400 She wanted to give him the best. 35 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,400 Lena wouldn't have left without him. 36 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,400 And as soon as I heard that my mom had called her, 37 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,400 I knew something was wrong. 38 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,400 I knew my mom had done something. 39 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,400 Lena was reported missing. 40 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,400 And when I interviewed other family members, 41 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,400 they told me that Lena's stuff just set out on the back porch of the house 42 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,400 until it got basically ruined. 43 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,400 She had a son here that she loved. 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,400 So to me, that's not a story of someone moving to Florida 45 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,400 and leaving most of your possessions here in Missouri. 46 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,400 And so I reached out to Brandy, Lena's sister, 47 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,400 to learn what happened the day she disappeared. 48 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,400 And she told me great detail about her childhood growing up, 49 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,400 about what that was like. 50 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:28,400 And she told me her theory of what she believed happened to Lena. 51 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,400 We were poor all our lives. 52 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,400 We really had to struggle. 53 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,400 And mom was always the one that worked. 54 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,400 She never let us go without food. 55 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,400 Our whole childhood, you know? 56 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,400 She's like, we got to stick together and we'll get through it. 57 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,400 My mom was a good mom growing up. 58 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,400 She was very straight-laced. 59 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,400 Never done a drug, smoked a cigarette, alcohol, nothing, my whole life. 60 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,400 She just wasn't like that. 61 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,400 And she'd always tell us, every single night, 62 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,400 God bless you and love you. 63 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,400 Every night. 64 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,400 That's the mom I remember. 65 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,400 And I miss that mom so much. 66 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,400 But what can you do? 67 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,400 There were six of us. 68 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,400 Me and Lena, Robin, Jeannie, Rachel and Rosie. 69 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,400 I'm the oldest, so Lena was the second oldest. 70 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,400 I was a good one. 71 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,400 Lena was more on-re. 72 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,400 Lena was more of the take charge, kind of tell us what to do, 73 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,400 try to boss us around. 74 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,400 She was a mouthy little thing, scrapper sometimes. 75 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,400 I mean, we always got in each other's way and each other's spaces, 76 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,400 but everybody liked her. 77 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,400 She's really like a bubbly, fun person. 78 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,400 She had a really positive attitude. 79 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,400 She was a good student. 80 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,400 And she talked really fast. 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,400 She was very outspoken. 82 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,400 You didn't have to think about what was on her mind. 83 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,400 It just came out. 84 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Lena was more the one that always got in trouble. 85 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,400 Man, we fought so much. 86 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,400 She was growing up. 87 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,400 My mom would be like, take it outside. 88 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,400 But we'd never touch each other's face. 89 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,400 That was the rule. 90 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,400 We'd never hit each other in the face. 91 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,400 There was a lot of hard days. 92 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,400 There was a lot more hard days than there was easy days. 93 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:49,400 I think the hardest part of growing up for me is not knowing what's going to happen next. 94 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,400 Where are we going to be living? 95 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,400 We moved around a lot. 96 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,400 I remember when I was young, my mom would meet different people. 97 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,400 She'd be with one man, and she'd start a job or something, 98 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,400 and she'd meet someone else, and then they'd sneak around, 99 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,400 and she'd leave that one and hook up with this one. 100 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:17,400 And then we'd all be loading up and moving in somewhere else with someone new. 101 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,400 She used her sex appeal a lot, 102 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,400 and that's a lot of the reason why men gravitate towards her. 103 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,400 And she never did stay with one in particular man for more than two years. 104 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,400 And she always went after the married ones, 105 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,400 or ones that had brothers. 106 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,400 I've been divorced and single for quite some time, 107 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,400 and Sandy and I, we went out date or two, 108 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,400 and that's how we got acquainted. 109 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,400 By the way, I was going to say, she's damn good at niving people around 110 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,400 and saying the right thing. 111 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Good talker, she really was. 112 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:09,400 She was very good at telling people what they wanted to hear and whatnot. 113 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,400 I was 10 when her and Albert got together. 114 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,400 Albert's a good dude. 115 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Albert was a really good stepfather to us. 116 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,400 Mom was going to school to be a nurse, 117 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,400 so she was never home, and Albert raised us. 118 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Albert was more of the fun laid-back type. 119 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,400 He put us in gymnastics and aerobics, and we got to play sports. 120 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,400 I do remember going to the river and stuff with Albert and doing fun things like that. 121 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,400 I was pretty close to them kids, but you know what I can say, 122 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,400 I was married to Sandy there, 123 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,400 and first two or three years wasn't too bad, 124 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,400 but then she got the fooling around and didn't know quite who it was, 125 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:02,400 and it ended up being Gary, my brother. 126 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,400 Yeah. 127 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,400 Me and him had a little fist fight down there on the ridge, 128 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,400 and he beat the tar out of me, and I'd beat the tar out of him, 129 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,400 and I had him pinned down there at one point, 130 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,400 and Sandy walked up behind me and hit me the back with a damn stick, 131 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,400 knocked the breath out of me. 132 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,400 But I finally talked to Gary, and I told him, 133 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,400 I said, man, I'm done. 134 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,400 That girl ain't nothing but trouble. 135 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,400 You better leave her alone. 136 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,400 We all left Albert's home in Arkansas, 137 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:50,400 and we moved back to Missouri with his brother Gary. 138 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,400 Our lives completely changed when Gary came into our lives. 139 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,400 We had to work our butts off. 140 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:06,400 I mean, we cut wood, had chickens, cows, horses. 141 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,400 They weren't going to feed themselves, so we were taught to take care of them. 142 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,400 He made sure the girls were involved. 143 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,400 Each one of them had their own little chore, 144 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,400 and whenever they're done, they take all of them into town for ice cream. 145 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,400 He just enjoyed kids, you know, and kids enjoyed him. 146 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,400 The kids always loved seeing him coming. 147 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,400 We lived with him for three years, 148 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,400 and he taught us things that I'll never forget it. 149 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,400 I'm disciplined. 150 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,400 I don't depend on any man to do anything for me, 151 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,400 and I value that Gary's a good guy. 152 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,400 He's a good guy. 153 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,400 I just got mixed up with the wrong person, and that's it. 154 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,400 Sandy has a pattern of behavior of jumping from one man to another, 155 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,400 and then once she's got him, she gets bored with that guy, 156 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,400 and she moves on to the next guy. 157 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,400 So Gary and Sandy are living a life, 158 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,400 and then after a few years, this cycle begins again, 159 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,400 where she's married to Gary, 160 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,400 and then she notices somebody named Chris Climp, 161 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,400 who's much younger. 162 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,400 Some would say more handsome. 163 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,400 And he comes from a family that's got quite a bit of money, 164 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,400 and they own quite a bit of property, 165 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,400 and it becomes clear that Sandy is no longer interested in Gary, 166 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,400 and she begins having an affair with Chris. 167 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:38,400 I met my mom's boyfriend, Chris, 168 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,400 and I'm thinking, oh, Gary's gonna whip his little butt, you know? 169 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,400 Chris was like a little bitty twig. 170 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,400 I mean, Gary was the whole tree. 171 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,400 Gary was country. 172 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,400 He was a homebody, but at the same time, I mean, he wasn't stupid. 173 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,400 And Gary didn't want to be always Sandy running around there. 174 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,400 I mean, I could tell he was hurt more than mad. 175 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:12,400 He called me one day to tell me that Sandy had been running around on him, 176 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,400 but moreover, he had been arrested for passing bad checks, 177 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,400 and he had figured out that Sandy had passed those checks, 178 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,400 and he was very upset about that. 179 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,400 He said, I'm gonna have to file for divorce. 180 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:32,400 And then next thing I knew of was that Gary went missing. 181 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,400 He was a hard worker. He really was. 182 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,400 And Gary never missed work, because he couldn't afford to miss work. 183 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,400 So when he didn't show up to work, you know, there were a couple of days, 184 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,400 we knew something was bad and bad wrong. 185 00:11:52,400 --> 00:12:00,400 Immediately to everybody that knew him, we wasn't looking for Gary being gone somewhere. 186 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,400 We were looking for Gary's body. 187 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:08,400 And I talked to the sheriff because Gary brought a gun over to the house one day. 188 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,400 He said, take his gun, put it somewhere. 189 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,400 He said, she was gonna kill me with that, you know. 190 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,400 He told me, he said, she's actually stuck out in my belly and pulled the trigger. 191 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,400 But I broke it open. 192 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,400 And it had a shell in it. 193 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,400 I said, you said this thing wasn't loaded. 194 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,400 And I said, it's got a shell in it. 195 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,400 He said, I always unload my gun after I shoot it. 196 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,400 And I said, well, you didn't this time? 197 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,400 I said, because it's still in there. 198 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,400 So I took my pliers out of my pocket, and I went to pull it out. 199 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,400 The powder started spilling out of it. 200 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,400 And I said, Gary, this is a lot of round. 201 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,400 When I showed it to him, the look on his face, I ain't never forgot it. 202 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,400 It dawned on him that she stuck that in his belly and pulled the trigger. 203 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:57,400 And he said, that had been a good shell. 204 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:00,400 He said, I wouldn't be standing here right now. 205 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,400 That's the last time that I seen him. 206 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,400 What was that day? 207 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:21,400 I was contacted by Robert McCullough, 208 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,400 who told me that he was concerned that his cousin Gary was missing 209 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,400 and something bad had happened to him, 210 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,400 and said that he had not been seen by anybody in the family for a couple of days. 211 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,400 I was told that he was missing. 212 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,400 I was told that he was missing. 213 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,400 I was told that he was missing. 214 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:47,400 I went to Gary McCullough's house to see if somebody was at home. 215 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:53,400 I went to Gary McCullough's house to see if somebody was at home. 216 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:58,400 I noticed that one of Gary's cows was out, 217 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,400 and we were in the process of putting the cow up 218 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,400 when Sandy McCullough and her daughter, Lena, pulled up, 219 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,400 wanting to know what we were doing. 220 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:13,400 When I asked her if there was anything that I needed to know about 221 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,400 that might be happening in her life, 222 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,400 she said, well, yeah, I've been meaning to call you. 223 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:30,400 My husband has gone off, and he's not been home for two days. 224 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,400 She told me he was going to Diamond, Missouri, 225 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,400 to buy some fighting roosters. 226 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,400 I asked her if she wanted to make a missing persons report. 227 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,400 She said that she probably needed to do that. 228 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:54,400 We left, and I had Gary McCullough entered as a missing person. 229 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,400 The following week, I obtained a search warrant, 230 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,400 and we went back to Gary McCullough's house. 231 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,400 Sandy wasn't happy that we were there, 232 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,400 but we spent quite a bit of time at the house 233 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,400 and made some pretty startling discoveries. 234 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,400 I don't believe we found any clothes that belonged to Gary McCullough in that house. 235 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,400 I don't think we found anything that would indicate 236 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:26,400 Gary was even ever living there or was planning to come back. 237 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,400 But there was a checkbook belonging to Christopher Clinton, 238 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,400 and we find out that Christopher is a boyfriend of Sandy. 239 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,400 I believe after two days of the investigation, 240 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:43,400 Christopher Clinton moves into the house with Sandy, 241 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,400 which was strange. 242 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,400 Immediately after this thing started, 243 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,400 I asked Sandy to take a polygraph. 244 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,400 She looks me straight in the eye and says, 245 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:03,400 I'll do you find a body and I'll take a polygraph. 246 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,400 I knew at that point we're going to have to go through a needle and a haystack 247 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,400 to try to find a body. 248 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:18,400 I wanted to interview the kids just to see what they thought had happened to Gary. 249 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,400 Lena, who was 13 or 14 years old, was very hostile. 250 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,400 It was obvious that she was very close with Sandy, 251 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,400 and she was very defensive of her mother, 252 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,400 and very antagonistic towards us. 253 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,400 It was just very obvious that Mom ruled the house, 254 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,400 and Lena was the number two person. 255 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:49,400 And when Lena told the younger kids to do something, they did it. 256 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:56,400 I remember going into a room with, I mean, there was a whole table full of people. 257 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,400 They were asking me questions. 258 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:04,400 I remember my sister Lena was telling me and my sisters to be quiet and mind their own business, 259 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:10,400 and we weren't supposed to talk about what happened when Gary went missing. 260 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,400 My mom had us live for her our entire lives. 261 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,400 Always, always, didn't matter what it was. 262 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,400 So we'd never talked about it. Never. 263 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,400 But I remember that day. 264 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,400 It's like it happened yesterday. I'll never forget it. 265 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:36,400 Never, for the rest of my life. 266 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,400 When we got home from school, my mom, she met us at the door, 267 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,400 and she's like, girls, a cat had kittens in the field. 268 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,400 Go look for them. 269 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,400 Every one of my sisters went, except me. 270 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,400 I had milk cows. 271 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,400 After a minute passed by, I was sitting on the porch. 272 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,400 I'm like, Mom, I've got to get inside the house. 273 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,400 I've got to. I've got to get my supplies to milk cows. 274 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,400 Finally, I'm like, you know what? I'm going in. 275 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,400 And I see her on her hands and knees. 276 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,400 She was scrubbing the floor with what appeared to be bleach water. 277 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,400 She had shorts on and her hair back and a ponytail. 278 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,400 She never wore a hair ponytail. 279 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,400 It was strange. 280 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:25,400 And then that night, my mom set us all at the kitchen table 281 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,400 and said, hey, listen, girls, if you are asked from anybody, 282 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,400 Gary went to go buy a fighting rooster, 283 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,400 and you guys had spaghetti that night for dinner, 284 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,400 and you haven't seen him since. 285 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,400 That's what it is, what the story is. 286 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,400 We say exactly what I'm telling you. 287 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,400 Everything will be fine. 288 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,400 That night, Sandy told Lena to make sure none of us 289 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,400 come out of the bedroom, and Lena had fallen asleep 290 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,400 in front of the door, and even as young as I was, 291 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,400 I still remember someone right. 292 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,400 And in our room, there was a window. 293 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,400 And I see Mom and Chris struggling, trying to carry, 294 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,400 trying to pull something big. 295 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:12,400 I mean, it was Gary, no doubt, but, you know, 296 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,400 he was wrapped up in something. 297 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,400 You could see the boots that he had had on, 298 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,400 but it scared me bad. 299 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,400 I didn't even talk about it until I got much older, 300 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:31,400 and I was able to talk to Detective Eperly and Martin about it. 301 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,400 But at the time, Lena was telling us, you know, 302 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,400 you can't say nothing about what happened to Gary, 303 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,400 because, you know, if so, they're going to take you guys from me, 304 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,400 and, you know, they're going to put you guys 305 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,400 in a bunch of different foster homes, and, you know, 306 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,400 Lena's biggest thing was she didn't want us to be separated, 307 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,400 because she figured if we were separated, 308 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,400 then we'd never see each other again, 309 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,400 and she couldn't let that happen. 310 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:59,400 I had to keep what I knew of Kauai. 311 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,400 Gary went missing in May, and we moved to St. Louis, 312 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,400 all of us. 313 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,400 We only stayed in St. Louis for a year, 314 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:11,400 and then moved to Sligo the next August. 315 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:19,400 Sandy and Chris, they got married wildly around St. Louis. 316 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,400 When we first moved to Sligo, Lena was working a couple different jobs 317 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,400 and still living down Sligo with my mom. 318 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,400 She became more, I don't know, on edge. 319 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,400 She came more distant. 320 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,400 There was two sides to Lena. 321 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,400 For the most part, she wanted, like, the little house out in the country 322 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,400 and the family and stuff, 323 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,400 but on the other side of it, like, when I met her, 324 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,400 we'd go to parties, she wasn't into the drugs and stuff. 325 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:56,400 She wouldn't even drink, but later on, she got into that stuff. 326 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,400 You could tell there was something that pulled her that way, you know what I mean? 327 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,400 But back then, I didn't really realize what it was. 328 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,400 She just lost herself for a while. 329 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,400 You'd catch her staring off to space, and you'd ask her what's wrong, 330 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,400 and then, you know, you could tell she was really thinking about something 331 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,400 because, you know, she'd be tearyed, and she'd dry her eyes and brush it off, 332 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,400 like, nothing happened. 333 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:28,400 She was really lonely, and you could tell that. 334 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,400 I think she had come to the point in her life 335 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,400 towards she needed to talk about what she was holding inside. 336 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,400 Ultimately, Lena confided in a boyfriend, 337 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,400 and he was persuading her, saying, 338 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,400 Lena, you know, you've got family over there that need to know something 339 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,400 if Gary's never going to be coming home. 340 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,400 If he's gone and you know it, and you know what happened, 341 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,400 you're going to have to tell them. 342 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,400 She said, okay, you know, that she would. 343 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,400 She would tell Albert. 344 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,400 She liked Albert. 345 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,400 He had been her stepdad, you know, before Gary was, 346 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,400 and she thought a lot of Albert. 347 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,400 Something wasn't right with Lena. 348 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,400 Something was eating at that girl so bad, 349 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,400 she just had to get her off her mind. 350 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,400 When Lena come talk to me there, 351 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,400 she was 17-year-old at the time. 352 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:40,400 I had a brand new recorder, and I asked Lena there 353 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,400 after we talked a little while, 354 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,400 and I don't know who the hell killed brother Gary. 355 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,400 Who killed Gary? 356 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,400 Walt. 357 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,400 Okay. 358 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,400 He was... 359 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,400 fell on the couch with some say. 360 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,400 Swapped out and shot a three-con for him. 361 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,400 Two of us, two of us three-con. 362 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,400 There was a lot of couch, 363 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,400 and she cleaned the cat that really got home. 364 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:14,400 And she wrapped him up with paper of plastic stuff, 365 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:21,400 and haze paint, haze drinks, and a bedroom floor. 366 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,400 And the bedroom floor. 367 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,400 Yeah, it was a bedroom. 368 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,400 And then she walked in the morning, said, 369 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,400 and when we got home, her mom made me stay in the bedroom. 370 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,400 She didn't want to see, but I already see. 371 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,400 I didn't believe it. I wanted to see. 372 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,400 And she took her instrument truck, and she left. 373 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,400 She was telling me the truth. 374 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,400 At a young age like that, she wanted me to know, 375 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,400 she wanted to just get it off of her mind. 376 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,400 I mean, that girl, she sat there and talked to me that night, 377 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,400 she was trembling, just shaking. 378 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:05,400 And she wanted me to know what happened to Gary, 379 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,400 because she knowed. 380 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,400 I need something to verify. 381 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,400 Gary is gone. How would the person go about doing that? 382 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,400 I mean, is there any way we could do that? 383 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,400 There's nothing. 384 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,400 There's nothing whatsoever left. 385 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,400 There's a huge barn, a huge barn. 386 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:33,400 And everything, everything that was either left at the barn pile 387 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,400 is put in bucket and put all over. 388 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,400 So I don't remember where they're at. 389 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,400 I was there. I don't know if they want to know. 390 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,400 I only want to know exactly what happened. 391 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,400 But there's nothing left. 392 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,400 What a look. 393 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,400 I hurt my fingers. 394 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,400 But because my fingers, they won't actually develop. 395 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,400 I know it makes me sound bad person, 396 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,400 but what am I supposed to do? 397 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,400 He's a kid. 398 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,400 Is that what your mom told you to do? 399 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,400 Sandy just trusted her more. 400 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,400 She did that. 401 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,400 Other girls thinking maybe wouldn't knock her out, 402 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,400 because, you know, that was her mom. 403 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,400 She didn't want to get in trouble, 404 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,400 but she knew they wouldn't write what her mom done. 405 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,400 When Albert recorded the tape, 406 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,400 I thought here was proof, direct proof 407 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,400 from somebody who knew what happened to Gary. 408 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,400 It was a good feeling to know, you know, we had this. 409 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,400 There wouldn't be any denying it. 410 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,400 And we called the sheriff and he came and picked it up. 411 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,400 The McCullough attorney contacted me about the recording. 412 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,400 You know, think, OK, we got the case now. 413 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,400 I mean, there's as about as good a confession, you know. 414 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,400 Next day, Sandy's lawyer drew up. 415 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,400 Lena was supposed to come back and dare to 416 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,400 and come and find out, 417 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,400 her mom had found out to come down and talk to him. 418 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,400 They both lawyered up. 419 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,400 I wonder what the hell you need a lawyer for. 420 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,400 Guilty, guilty, guilty. 421 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,400 A lawyer that was hired by Sandy, 422 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,400 convinces Lena to walk her confession back. 423 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,400 And so what does the confession really mean? 424 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,400 I mean, you've got it taped, 425 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,400 but if the subject themselves is walking it back, 426 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,400 ultimately it's just another claim. 427 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,400 He said she said situation. 428 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,400 This is the kind of case that will just keep you up at night 429 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,400 and will drive you crazy, 430 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,400 because I honestly think I know exactly what happened to Gary McCullough. 431 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,400 I think I know exactly who did it. 432 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,400 I think I know how Gary McCullough was disposed of. 433 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,400 And there's nothing I can do 434 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,400 because knowing and proving are two different things. 435 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,400 When Lena come for her, you know, put a little hope in it. 436 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,400 But it just went cold, it was cold, you know. 437 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,400 It was hard, real hard. 438 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,400 Because I know killed my brother. 439 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400 Ain't a doubt in my mind. 440 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,400 It's just weird. 441 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,400 Your whole life you're believing that your mom could never hurt a single soul. 442 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,400 So I had questions for many years. 443 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,400 Is she really capable of murder? 444 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,400 And then one day, I was with Lena. 445 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,400 She just opened up to me. 446 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,400 She told me the story about how mom killed Gary. 447 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,400 I'm like, are you kidding me? 448 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,400 I didn't know what to say, but nothing. 449 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,400 Next day, I got a fight with my mom. 450 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,400 I got so mad at her. 451 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,400 I was calling her names, and then I threatened her. 452 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,400 I'm gonna call the police and tell them every single thing you did. 453 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,400 I know. 454 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,400 And she just smugged at me. 455 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,400 And she said, get in the truck. 456 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,400 So I got in the back of the truck, up against the truck bed. 457 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,400 And we took a drive. 458 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,400 It was middle of the night. It was really dark. 459 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,400 All of a sudden, we stopped in the middle of the road, and Chris gets out. 460 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:19,400 I look over to my right-hand side, and there's a gun facing at my head. 461 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,400 It was the scariest moment I've ever had in my life. 462 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400 And I jump over the bed. 463 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,400 All of a sudden, I find myself looking at my mom. 464 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:40,400 She can see me screaming, and she never even looked at me. 465 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,400 She looked straight at her like she was dead to the world. 466 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,400 That was so hard, because I didn't know what to do. 467 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,400 If I ran, she would have, they would have killed me. 468 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,400 I didn't know where I was. 469 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:02,400 So I did what I thought was the best idea, and it was... 470 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,400 I said, well, maybe her door's unlocked. 471 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,400 If her door's unlocked, I can just get in with her. 472 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,400 And I'm like, I'm gonna go get her. 473 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,400 Maybe her door's unlocked. 474 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,400 If her door's unlocked, I can just get in with her and hold her, 475 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,400 because you can't shoot both of us. 476 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,400 And I did, and it was unlocked, and I scrapped her so tightly, 477 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,400 that I said, please don't let him hurt me. 478 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,400 She... I mean, I see her like forever, but probably about 10 seconds or 20 seconds, 479 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,400 she's like, don't hurt my baby. 480 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,400 When she said that, he put the gun down. 481 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,400 Got in and we drove back to her house. 482 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:01,400 Before that night, I never would have thought she could have hurt anybody. 483 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,400 After that moment, I didn't want to say nothing, 484 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,400 because I didn't want to risk my life, and that's what Lena did. 485 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:17,400 After she made the confession, she never said anything again. 486 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,400 A little later on, Lena had her son, Koulter, and that was it. 487 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,400 That was her priority. I mean, she wanted to give him the best. 488 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,400 After that, she didn't want to talk about what happened to Gary. 489 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,400 She wanted to work and provide for him, 490 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,400 and so she got more jobs than she could probably handle, 491 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,400 and so I had to go to the hospital. 492 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,400 I had to go to the hospital, 493 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,400 and I had to go to the hospital, 494 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,400 because I had more jobs than she could handle, 495 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,400 and so Sandy would take care of Koulter while Lena would work. 496 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,400 Lena was done being a child or a teen. 497 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,400 And in time to grow up, she was going to settle down, raise her kid. 498 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,400 She was doing really well for a few years. 499 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,400 A lot has changed at the Berry County Farm where Gary McCullough once lived. 500 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,380 In 1999, his wife said he went out to buy chickens and diamond and never returned. 501 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:17,380 His stepdaughter, Lena, was 13 at the time. 502 00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:20,340 A few years later, she visited one of Gary's brothers. 503 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:26,500 He taped the conversation where Lena allegedly said Gary, her stepfather, was murdered. 504 00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:34,500 Great evidence, but that has not produced a criminal charge today. 505 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:39,500 By the point we get to 2006, Lena had plans of getting married. 506 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:43,900 She's finding a man that could be a role model for her son, and she wants to become financially 507 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:46,140 independent of Sandy. 508 00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:51,180 But ultimately, Lena being independent was the greatest threat to Sandy. 509 00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:57,220 Because if Lena is fully independent of Sandy, then Lena can say what she knows. 510 00:32:57,220 --> 00:33:04,340 So there's this rising tension between Sandy and Lena that really hits a peak when the 511 00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:08,420 lawsuit is filed. 512 00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:14,300 It was becoming clear there wasn't a criminal case filed, and maybe never going to be filed 513 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:16,500 for Gary's death. 514 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:22,620 So when we decided to file a civil case for the McCullough family, it was the only thing 515 00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:30,460 we could do, you know, for somebody to say they're responsible. 516 00:33:30,460 --> 00:33:36,300 We were alleging wrongful death, and Sandy and Chris Climp killed Gary McCullough. 517 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:38,860 And Lena was, in effect, an accessory. 518 00:33:38,860 --> 00:33:43,420 She conspired and helped get rid of the body. 519 00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:49,220 And by reason of that, I thought there was a good chance Lena would get immunity for 520 00:33:49,220 --> 00:33:53,900 her own actions in exchange for providing testimony against the people who were truly 521 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:55,900 responsible. 522 00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:57,700 That was the hope. 523 00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:01,460 As it turns out, it didn't work out that way. 524 00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:06,740 When Gary's daughters filed their civil lawsuit, and Dent County deputies deliver the court 525 00:34:06,740 --> 00:34:14,580 summons, they find Chris and they find Sandy, but Lena's nowhere to be found. 526 00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:16,980 And so they ask Sandy, well, where's Lena at? 527 00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:19,380 We need to deliver these court summons. 528 00:34:19,380 --> 00:34:24,500 And so Sandy tells this story that Lena had run off to Florida and she was down there 529 00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:30,580 with some guy. 530 00:34:30,580 --> 00:34:36,220 When Lena went missing, Mom had told me Lena went to Florida with another guy. 531 00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:37,780 I was hanging out with Lena at the time. 532 00:34:37,780 --> 00:34:42,100 I knew who she was seeing and who she wasn't. 533 00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:44,060 And there was no guy from Florida. 534 00:34:44,060 --> 00:34:47,940 My mom was telling us that Lena said bad things about us. 535 00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:50,220 She didn't want nothing to do with us anymore. 536 00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:53,660 We were just waiting to see if she came back. 537 00:34:53,660 --> 00:34:57,500 Then after time had passed, there was no sign at all of Lena. 538 00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:58,500 Nothing. 539 00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,460 And then it's like, okay, now we have a problem. 540 00:35:01,460 --> 00:35:03,980 They called and told me Lena was missing. 541 00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:06,980 First thing popped my mind was Sandy. 542 00:35:06,980 --> 00:35:11,900 Because Lena knew enough that she could have had the keys. 543 00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:13,460 I mean, locked up. 544 00:35:13,460 --> 00:35:16,540 And Sandy wasn't going to have that. 545 00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:20,740 She could have busted the whole thing wide open. 546 00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:29,340 I was able to talk to the cops and I told them that I knew my mom had done it again. 547 00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:34,500 I knew she had done something. 548 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:40,540 I posted missing person flyers of Lena around Salem. 549 00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:46,900 I found out my mom was paying my little sister $5 a piece to take them down. 550 00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:53,780 Why would someone pay to have their daughter's missing person posters taken down? 551 00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:56,180 So later on, I called her. 552 00:35:56,180 --> 00:36:03,460 I called her on the phone and I told her, I know you're the reason Lena's not here. 553 00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:05,140 You messed up this time. 554 00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:08,060 Now it's one of my sisters. 555 00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:11,860 I'm going to be the one that finds out one way or another, whether it's Gary or Lena, 556 00:36:11,860 --> 00:36:15,220 I'm going to be the one that finds out and make sure you rot. 557 00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:18,380 And she would put her little fake voice on like she always did. 558 00:36:18,380 --> 00:36:22,460 And she's like, how could you say that? 559 00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:23,460 I'm your mother. 560 00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:24,460 You don't talk to me that way. 561 00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:26,180 And I told her she wasn't nothing. 562 00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:36,420 And then I hung up. 563 00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:40,220 I've told both detectives from Berry County. 564 00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:46,340 The reason why Lena missing was because Lena made a confession tape. 565 00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:51,340 And because of the trial that was coming, my mom was scared. 566 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:56,660 Even though mom had drove her to recant her confession, what would make her think that 567 00:36:56,660 --> 00:37:03,780 she wouldn't follow through with it now that she's of age and able to? 568 00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:10,900 Mom knew if Lena was gone, mom would get what she wanted by not being exposed for the murder 569 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:12,660 of her ex-husband. 570 00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:16,300 And she would also get her son. 571 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:21,900 Based off of my interviews with Brandy and Robin, I believe Sandy had two motives for 572 00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:24,540 making Lena disappear. 573 00:37:24,540 --> 00:37:28,020 Lena helped make Gary disappear. 574 00:37:28,020 --> 00:37:30,420 She had first hand knowledge of what happened. 575 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:39,020 And if Lena talked, what that could potentially do, also she had a son, Coulter, that Sandy 576 00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:40,460 desperately wanted. 577 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:47,580 So much that Sandy would, by accounts, make him call her mom. 578 00:37:47,580 --> 00:37:51,420 When my mom found out Coulter was a boy, like everything changed. 579 00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:55,100 She started becoming more obsessive and possessive. 580 00:37:55,100 --> 00:38:00,260 She tried taking over control of Coulter because she's always wanted a boy. 581 00:38:00,260 --> 00:38:02,020 She had six girls. 582 00:38:02,020 --> 00:38:04,300 She wanted Coulter to be hers. 583 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:08,820 And she had in her mind that she was Coulter's mom. 584 00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:15,460 My mom, she knew that if Lena was gone, she would finally get the rights to her son. 585 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:20,100 So when Lena went missing, my mom filed abandonment charges. 586 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:25,340 Lena wasn't there to defend herself, so the court was like, oh, she ain't here, so I 587 00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:28,100 guess she is abandoning her child. 588 00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,060 My mom knew that she wasn't going to show up for court. 589 00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:33,980 She just knew, so she got it. 590 00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:49,340 She got what she wanted. 591 00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:56,000 At trial, the jury saw Sandy's own children take the stand and implicate her in a murder 592 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,280 plot. 593 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,080 Brandy's testimony at trial was particularly powerful because by the time that this trial 594 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,520 is held, she is fully independent of Sandy. 595 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,240 I stood in court for two hours. 596 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,600 You know, I'm like, listen, I can tell you every single thing that happened. 597 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,240 Like my mom and Chris pulled a gun on me. 598 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,480 That was a big step. 599 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,440 I didn't think I would ever be able to go against my mom like I did and I did. 600 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:30,880 And I felt good about it because I think those family of Gary, it's important for them to 601 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,680 have some sort of peace. 602 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:38,000 And I think I thought I was the only person to give them that. 603 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,880 When Brandy got her friend, her mom was in there the whole time, and he said he's seen 604 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,080 several of them juries. 605 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,840 Wiping tears out of their eyes. 606 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,780 Ultimately the verdict in the civil trial was that Chris and Sandy were found liable 607 00:39:50,780 --> 00:40:15,180 of knowingly taking the life of Gary McCullough. 608 00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,460 I haven't seen Colter since he was in kindergarten. 609 00:40:18,460 --> 00:40:21,540 Colter's living with my mom. 610 00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:25,580 He was homeschooled for a long time because mom didn't want him going to school and finding 611 00:40:25,580 --> 00:40:29,180 out that what the truth is. 612 00:40:29,180 --> 00:40:35,340 But when he's old enough, my sisters are definitely going to tell him the truth. 613 00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:39,820 I can't stand that she wakes up every single day smiling and raising my nephew like her 614 00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:42,140 own. 615 00:40:42,140 --> 00:40:47,260 And my sister's not able to do that. 616 00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:51,060 And that breaks my heart. 617 00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:58,620 Now that my sister's gone, I will spend every single day of my life trying to put my mom 618 00:40:58,620 --> 00:40:59,620 away. 619 00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:02,060 I'm not afraid. 620 00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:10,580 I can't be afraid because if I was afraid, there'd be nothing done. 621 00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:22,260 I will spend every single day of my life trying to find Lena. 622 00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:26,140 We know that Chris and Sandy had access to two properties. 623 00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:33,940 We have a slaggo property and then we've got an 80 acre ranch north of Salem. 624 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:50,940 This is where my mom and Chris lived when Lena disappeared. 625 00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:52,660 She's not stupid. 626 00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:53,660 She's not stupid. 627 00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:58,300 Whatever Lena's at, it's going to be hard, very, very hard to get to. 628 00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,260 The bedroom door was there, the mud room. 629 00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:10,620 And this, it was just, it was right here. 630 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:19,460 I know it was. 631 00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:24,140 It was a well, it was a hand dug well that had stones lining up on the sides. 632 00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:26,380 It would have been right here. 633 00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:32,740 And it just, it's not here no more. 634 00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:38,380 And I don't, I don't understand why it's not. 635 00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:40,420 I think it's been filled in. 636 00:42:40,420 --> 00:42:48,820 She had filled it in before she moved. 637 00:42:48,820 --> 00:42:54,960 A couple months after Lena disappeared, Sandy had moved to this property. 638 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,440 She was showing me this property. 639 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,000 We were walking up from the pond to the house and she had pointed out the four trees in front 640 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,720 of the house saying that she had buried her dog Toby there, which was weird because she 641 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:12,120 had told me that she had buried the dog at the old house on top of the hill under a tree 642 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,800 before they moved. 643 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,600 I automatically thought that, I mean, there was something not right about it. 644 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,400 It didn't make sense. 645 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,080 My first thought was, why is she changing her story now? 646 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,680 Like, could Lena be there? 647 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:30,240 I don't know. 648 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:38,280 So if my sister is in there, are you going to be able to tell me today or not? 649 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,840 Unfortunately, no. 650 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:46,000 What I would hope to accomplish here is to narrow down for Detective Letchworth a focus 651 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,640 in area of where he would need to investigate. 652 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,880 But it's worth checking out though, right? 653 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,880 Absolutely. 654 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,920 It's always worth investigating. 655 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:54,920 Sure. 656 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,920 Okay. 657 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:10,560 Thank you. 658 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,800 After all these years of Lena being missing, they finally decided to take a ground scan 659 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:22,240 tool over the area that didn't quite set right with me before. 660 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:27,240 I hope we can find some answers. 661 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:31,440 Robin, her theory, is that's where Lena is buried. 662 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,960 She's on the new farm here in Dink County. 663 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:41,080 And so if what I'm told by Robin is true, we should be able to see a disturbance there 664 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,480 in the ground. 665 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,240 And the ground penetrating radar should give us a good indicator whether we need to dig 666 00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:48,240 there or not dig. 667 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,240 Did she get something? 668 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,240 I don't know. 669 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:22,880 It's hard. 670 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:34,760 It's hard not having a mom or my sister Lena, but I just really want Lena to know that I 671 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,760 love her. 672 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:44,760 That I'm proud of her for keeping us all together? 673 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:54,760 I know if it wasn't for her, we wouldn't be. 674 00:45:54,760 --> 00:46:03,640 There's not a time that goes by I don't think about Lena. 675 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,800 I miss her so much. 676 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:16,040 If my sister could hear me right now and tell her I love her, I'd just know I will always 677 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,440 try to find you, you know? 678 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,080 I'll never let anybody just forget you. 679 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,400 And that's what I'm trying to do with Lena. 680 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:10,640 I'm going to go. 681 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:17,640 I'm going to go. 682 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:23,640 I'm going to go. 683 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:30,640 I'm going to go. 684 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:37,640 I'm going to go. 685 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:10,640 I'm going to go. 686 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:20,640 I'm going to go. 687 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:29,640 I'm going to go. 688 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:39,640 I'm going to go. 689 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:49,640 I'm going to go. 690 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:58,640 I'm going to go.